A Quick Change of Positions – The Bridgecrest Financial/ARA Compliance Program Mandate
Editorial
Recently, the American Recovery Association partnered with Bridgecrest Financial to be the sole approved compliance program vendor for all of their agents. Sound familiar?
For those of you that don’t remember the August 30, 2017 joint editorial from the leaders of Allied Finance Adjusters, American Recovery Association, California Association of Licensed Repossessors, Time Finance Adjusters and Recovery Specialist Insurance Group titled “
Santander Demands CARS Certification – The Contingent Fee Contradiction”, I would simply like to remind everyone that this editorial was agreed upon and approved by the Presidents and leaders of all of these associations.
Rather than going off on this apparent reversal, which is putting it nicely, I thought I would simply remind everyone of what they agreed upon and helped create in the final published version. In addition, they penned their own editorial titled “ARA Rebuttal on Santander’s CARS Mandate Editorial Rebuttals“, which is also worthy of consideration. I was tempted to simply replace the words “Santander and CARS” with “Bridgecrest and ARA”, but thought I would spare the effort in what is an obvious parallel.
I have known about this for several weeks and had conversed with Les McCook and David Kennedy of the ARA on this to no avail or satisfaction in response and give up.
This is one of the reasons there is no unity. This is one of the reasons you continue to get paid peanuts.
Make your own judgement. I am very disappointed.
Santander Demands CARS Certification – The Contingent Fee Contradiction
Originally Published
August 30, 2017
Editorial
We’ve been getting a lot of laughs lately, as well as some copies of cancellation letters being sent to lenders and forwarders over their ludicrous demands. If you work for Santander/Chrysler you should have already received their latest demand for CARS Certification. While we strongly support the CARS program created by the respected industry veterans, Joe Taylor and Stamatis Ferrolis and RISC, we find the Santander/Chryslers demands almost laughable considering they demand their agents partake in the obviously dangerous practice of contingent assignments.
Over the last 5 years repossession agencies have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on compliance management systems (CMS) and education of street level agents. The professionals in the industry, yes there are many in the industry that are not professional in their actions, you read about them almost every day in this newsletter, have embraced this process with understanding and have dug deep into their near empty pocket books to make it happen.
Every contract we sign hammers home the point that we are INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS and the contracts go on to say “CONTRACTOR shall have absolute and entire charge, control and supervision of the manner and means of performing the Services”.
This recent mandate of using only one training platform would appear to be a mandate given to an employee not an independent contractor. In the real world if you go to school and you get a degree from an education institution that degree qualifies across the nation as proof of your knowledge and understanding. This mandate basically is saying that all the other schools are moot. How can this be mandated when the industry to date has not even decided on the course material.
Make no mistake the industry is in favor of training and compliance but this mandate is unfair and unjustified. If the program meets the curriculum then it must be accepted as in real world education. The asset recovery industry being paid below cost wages in some cases and presently being forced to jump at the whim of individuals most of whom have never left the comfort of their corner office in the last decade is incomprehensible. We operate on a very thin profit platform we should not be coerced into supporting 5 different education platforms.
We are INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS who as the contracts say have proven that we have policies and procedures in place to meet all state and federal laws and as the contracts say have the knowledge and ability to enforce, educate and operate as required by all Federal and State consumer protection laws.
There is something of a contradiction that a Lender who only pays on contingency, would mandate that their approved agencies only use only one specific compliance training program. Specifically one that has in the past stated that contingent assignments without appropriate recovery fees are a dangerous practice.
It is not that contingent assignments themselves are bad, it is because they do not financially compensate any differently than a non-contingent assignment in fees. Fees are where the rubber meets the road. If you want quality professional agents, agencies and practices, you need to pay for them. $325-$375 is ridiculous. Those are the same fees as Lenders were paying in the 80’s! You know that is not right.
This is the second time in less than a year Santander/Chrysler demanded agents pay out of pocket for the “privilege” of working their contingent assignments with four bad addresses. Do you remember their demand that all of their agents purchase the MBSi’s Recovery Connect System, which costs agencies $30 per month and $5 per month per user as well as data usage and gave Santander/Chrysler, via MBSi, passive GPS location data on the repossession agencies field agents? That was just last November.
What’s next? You rent assignments from them by the day? Wash their cars, mow their lawns? Where does this end?
We just received a letter from Troy Manzi of Prairie Land Services that had the testicular fortitude and intelligence to say what I’ve always advised. Say NO!
Below is the text.
08/22/2017
To Whom It May Concern:
Effective immediately, Prairie Land Services, Inc. will no longer accept
Santander/Chrysler accounts.
The demands placed on our agency with zero increase in pay is not tolerable.
To make this issue even worse, I was informed today via email that this lender is placing
another training/certification requirement on us, again, without increase in pay, that will
cost close to $1,500 to for us to complete.
You and Santander wants the best of the best and the best trained agencies/agents
working their accounts but refused to pay for the training and experience. I am sure you have heard the one about wanting the best brain surgeon, yes? Well, you have to pay for that person.
Should you want to reconsider your rates, then we can talk, but please know this, after
years of zero pay hikes from you, the new recovery rate will have a lot of catching up to
- Again, effective 08/23/2017, we will no longer accept new assignments for
Santander/Chrysler. Any open or current accounts, at your will, will remain open and
worked by us.
Thank you,
Troy Manzi President
(and small business owner, local supporter, family man with college kids,
husband and someone who needs a retirement fund so he can enjoy life after 60).
Troy gave me permission to post this.
We encourage all of you who have been brought to task by Santander/Chrysler to stand up and write your own response today if this bothers you. You are not alone. If you do not do work for Santander/Chrysler through any of their forwarders, and they call you asking you to do their work, do yourselves and the industry a favor, just say NO!
Now, for the Lenders and Forwarders reading this, don’t hire based on price alone. Please properly vet ALL of your agents. We know you’re not, otherwise the companies we see working from their truck and storing your metal in their back yard with a rope tied around it for security would not be our competition. If our education and street level training is from a reputable source audited by outside auditors for accuracy you need to accept it just as it would be in a free market education platform, otherwise prepare yourselves for a lot more letters like the one above.
Thank you,
Kevin Armstrong,
Editor, CUCollector
This editorial has been reviewed, contributed to and approved by;
Allied Finance Adjusters
American Recovery Association
California Association of Licensed Repossessors
Time Finance Adjusters
Recovery Specialist Insurance Group
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I wonder who negotiates these deals??? In polling my In polling the Eagle Group XX members I find that Bridgecrest Financial was previously paying $375.00 to $400.00 for an involuntary repossession with a close fee nd allowing key, delivery and storage charges. Now since they have partnered with our ARA they require ARA Green Light, ARA Compliance Training and have reduced fees to $315.00 to $305.00CONTINGENT with NO OTHER CHARGES ALLOWED.
THANK YOU! GOES OUT TO WHOEVER NEGOTIATED THIS WONDERFUL DEAL.
In a conversation with Les McCook of ARA I was assured that ARA had no part in the recent reduction of the Bridgecrest Fee decreases. He advised me that Bridgecrest was headed in the direction of Santander in requiring all agents to be VTS certified and that he and other ARA representatives convinced Bridgecrest that the ARA training and compliance program was as good as any other program on the market. By Bridgecrest accepting the ARA Compliance program he feels the ARA members have been spared an additional expense. Again I would repeat and emphasize that Les McCook stated that ARA in no way negotiated any type of fee structure with Bridgecrest.
From Max Piniero of VTS –
Ron,
There is absolutely no truth to what you are being told by Les McCook/ARA. Bridgecrest has never had any contact with VTS and we have never solicited Bridgecrest. The VTS platform is demonstrated via a live demo to lenders and users that request information and no one at VTS has ever spoken to anyone at Bridgecrest, let alone demo the products and services. Why would Bridgecrest be heading in the direction of mandating VTS when they know nothing about VTS? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I am actually shocked with the information you are being fed. ARA has been trying to land a client to utilize their “Compliance Platform” for the last 5 years and finally they got a lender to bite. And yes Ron, they are also targeting non-ARA members which they are charging in excess of $600.00. This is the same organization that has been professing that agency owners should not pay for compliance and that it should be covered by the lenders. Really?? That was a quick change of direction from their original position. When one needs to fabricate this type of information, for their benefit, and to mislead the masses, it is a clear sign of desperation. Soon enough the industry will know where much of the documents and material used by ARA to build their members profile is coming from. No truth at all to that information!! Max Pineiro
Sincerely,
Max Pineiro, President
Vendor Transparency Solutions
VTS Training Center
Well there you have it… Two different stories from two different sources. I am sure this will be a topic which will be discussed in detail at the ARA Convention, held prior to the NARS meeting in Dallas Texas next month. Just one of the reasons that all ARA members should attend this annual meeting where issues may be discussed and resolved to the benefit od the members. I would love to see the day when there was but one trade association for our group which would possibly end the bickering, back stabbing, false propaganda and be the catalyst which would unite our industry for the benefit of all. BUT… it may be there are too many egos involved, too many men and women who do not want to give up their power positions, too many people who benefit egotistically and financially from the “politics of the game”.
As for me, I think I will just sit back and observe, politics and power struggles do not sit well on my palate.
“Political language… is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”
George Orwell (1903-1950)